Piracy

Posted by HeroofTime55 on June 19, 2010, 4:01 p.m.

OK, this is an interesting topic, and I think we may get a lively debate going here…

Piracy, where do you stand on it?

Please note that this applies equally to games, movies, music, etc. so if you say "Pirating games is wrong!" because you're a game developer, but then download music, you're a big fat hypocrite.

My stance is that it is freedom of information. I believe that you have a right to access information without having to pay some sort of fee, and this includes forms of entertainment.

But how then, do the producers of information make money?

Simple. Movies make money by showing in theaters. Music artists make money by performing live. Both will also profit by selling merchandise. These are extremely profitable ventures, and indeed, music artists for instance rarely make a dime off of record sales anyway, all of that money goes to the RIAA, unless you're huge like Metallica or something.

Furthermore, some individuals who are not past pirating will buy legitimate copies anyway, because they simply want to have an 'official' copy. I download games, but I buy legitimate copies of Pokemon games because that's my thing. I just want a legit copy for no other reason than wanting a legit copy.

Piracy is not some huge threat to the industries. There will ALWAYS be people available to purchase official copies or merchandise, or go to live viewings and performances. And in the case of small game developers or independent music artists, people are much more likely to shell out the cash as a sign of support for such groups.

Piracy stops with accessing information, however. The freedom to access information does not and should not allow you to profit off of other people's ideas by selling their information as your own. The producers of information still 'own' that information and they own the right to make money off of it.

Comments

HeroofTime55 14 years, 5 months ago

Polystyrene: If the record labels do highly immoral things, wouldn't it be morally wrong to financially empower them by buying music legally? Thus making piracy the moral alternative? Or would there then be no moral way to get music except by independent artists?

Also, the artists don't have much of a choice. Their primary goal is, to my understanding, usually not profit, but to reach as many people as possible (although the two concepts go hand in hand for the most part), and that can only really be done through record labels.

OBELISK 14 years, 5 months ago

YARR, HARR, FIDDLE DE DEE,

BEING A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT TO BE!

DO WHAT YOU WANT 'CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE,

YOU ARE A PIRATE!

Polystyrene Man 14 years, 5 months ago

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I also do not feel bad for the artists that are pirated, especially they big bands, because I know that a lot of times, their profits are just turned into drugs.
I will assert that using your paycheck to buy gas supports a far more corrupt system than the drug trade.

And anyways, why does it matter what people spend their money on? Is it ethical to make moral decisions for people that you've never met?

There is literally no other job where the payee will withhold your paycheck because s/he suspects you might be using your earnings on something s/he deems inappropriate.

HeroofTime55 14 years, 5 months ago

I'd guess that that last point is very wrong, Polystydegdhssrt… Can I call you PMan please? ._.

Anyway I'd guess that last point is very probably wrong, I'm sure there are some dickholes out there withholding paychecks (or at least attempting to do so) over some petty moral judgment they have no right to make.

Polystyrene Man 14 years, 5 months ago

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Polystyrene: If the record labels do highly immoral things, wouldn't it be morally wrong to financially empower them by buying music legally? Thus making piracy the moral alternative? Or would there then be no moral way to get music except by independent artists?
Who are you to decide the level of immorality of these record labels? (Not meaning to be rude here)

I think the point remains: When you pirate music the artist makes zero profit. If you are truly looking out for the good of the artist, you will respect their decision to join a major record label.

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Also, the artists don't have much of a choice. Their primary goal is, to my understanding, usually not profit, but to reach as many people as possible (although the two concepts go hand in hand for the most part), and that can only really be done through record labels.
This is kind of outdated thinking. Bands can have any variety of long term goals, be it fan base, profit, or nothing at all- but no artist today is required to go through a major record label to become popular or profitable.

The band Clap Your Hands Say Yeah released their first album with no distribution method whatsoever- just handed out CDs to their friends and saw the music become wildly popular. Many new bands choose to start their own record labels with their own ideologies, and become very successful.

Any band that joins Warner Brothers or EMI or what-have-you is doing so by their own choice, and it's quickly becoming a bad choice as artists begin to embrace the freedom of operating under their own terms.

MMOnologueguy 14 years, 5 months ago

I pirate almost everything. I've never bought music in my life (but I did buy a ticket to live music this one time (nobody fucking plays in New Zealand)) and I haven't rented or bought movies in years (but I see them in theaters all the time). Some games have to be bought legitimately for online multiplayer and others will be anyway just because some people aren't pirates, and while piracy is on the rise the gaming industry is too. Maybe one day piracy will reach critical mass and the recording industry will collapse and artists will have no option but to release their work for free. I look forward to that day if it ever occurs.

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YARR, HARR, FIDDLE DE DEE,

BEING A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT TO BE!

DO WHAT YOU WANT 'CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE,

YOU ARE A PIRATE!
Also this.

Polystyrene Man 14 years, 5 months ago

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Anyway I'd guess that last point is very probably wrong, I'm sure there are some dickholes out there withholding paychecks (or at least attempting to do so) over some petty moral judgment they have no right to make.
Legally though?

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Can I call you PMan please?
Anything works!

RoyalSmacketh 14 years, 5 months ago

I never meant that not paying them for their work is right. I just don't feel bad that they have less money to buy drugs. And yes I use some of my money to buy gas and other things that I need. They do not need drugs and that is why I do not feel bad.

Polystyrene Man 14 years, 5 months ago

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I never meant that not paying them for their work is right. I just don't feel bad that they have less money to buy drugs.
Fair enough. I still disagree, but I understand what you mean.

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And yes I use some of my money to buy gas and other things that I need.
I guess this is a personal obsession of mine and it's extremely dependent on where you live, but in a lot of places you don't need gas. Biking and public transportation are usually good substitutes. But again, it depends on where you live and I know it's unrealistic for some people. But that's an aside.

I'm sure that you also spend money on things you don't need as well. Like a video game console. Or expensive shoes. Or… I don't know what people spend money on, but a lot of it is totally unnecessary. Only difference is that drugs are taboo in most of the world.

HeroofTime55 14 years, 5 months ago

PMan: I support the artists by going to live shows an buying merch (t-shirts mostly). Of course I'm a metal head so it's probably easier for me to support my favorite artists in that regard than if I liked electronic music, as you pointed out. But I'm not an electronic music fan, so I'm not doing any harm there. I'd rather go to a hundred concerts than give a single dime to the RIAA.