RA - Awful Generalisation

Posted by RhysAndrews on April 14, 2007, 8:57 p.m.

Hi guys.

I've had a debate with someone on 64Digits over MSN… It pretty much started with them saying (something along the lines of):

"The Australian Cricket Team is so mean and unsportsmanship-like, and so I am sure that 99% of Australians are exactly like that too."
That's the summary of a few messages the person said. When he comes online next I'll ask whether I can present his name so he can provide his arguments in the comments here too. From seeing just 15 odd Australians, all with similar interests being a bit bully-like on the Cricket Pitch, he thinks we are all almost exactly the same. All with the same attitude. Firstly I think this is pretty racist and definitely a huge over-statement of my land. Australia is a multi-cultural country, we've got people from all 'round the globe coming to live here, around 1,000 new citizenships are given out every week. I honestly don't see how citizens could immediately become obnoxious like our Aussie Cricket team as soon as they became one. What about me? I'm a punctual nerd - you wouldn't see me rubbing a cricket ball on my balls and calling out the stereotypical Australian slang. Am I part of that 1%? I know heaps of people with at least one of my attitudes persistent in them too.

And what about, say, the Australian Soccer Team? They have an entirely different attitude to the Cricket team and there's more players. If the person who is arguing against me see's the soccer team he has no choice but to either agree or say something stupid. He also said this: "never the less *Australian's* are made up of rejected people from England. So I don't think their attitude would be NICE.". Australia was founded on 'rejected' people from England. But the government was established by the highest-paying explorers on England. But that was over 200 years ago - since then we've had millions of migrants, coming here to share their culture. I just don't understand how this person could make such a blind statement - what if (coing by his accusation) the Cricket Team happened to be made up of that 1% of Australians who he says do not represent the attitude the cricket team has? He would then be falsely accusing us by an even greater deal, because the cricket team might be the only people in Australia with that attitude.

I don't actually see why I need to make such a list of arguments, it's quite clear that one Australian Cricket Team, though "representing Australia", is not portraying how 99% of us are like. The person arguing against me said that his country all stick together - if one person runs, the rest will run with them regardless of whether they enjoy running. Fair enough. Australia doesn't - we respect what people do and don't want to do but go the way we would like to go. Also, I don't see how his country does that - he beat up a gay person. I don't want anyone posting stupid comments in reply, this is a mature discussion only and I want your honest opinion.

Comments

Polystyrene Man 17 years, 7 months ago

People get generalized all the time. You've just got to deal with it…

flashback 17 years, 7 months ago

You anti-generalization activists are all the same…

god 17 years, 7 months ago

Yeah I hate that in people…:

America was pretty much started by the poorer people from England that didn't like there lives as they were.

flashback 17 years, 7 months ago

…that's a generalization.

Arcalyth 17 years, 7 months ago

*points to me*

RhysAndrews 17 years, 7 months ago

Quote:
People get generalized all the time. You've just got to deal with it…
This is me dealing with it, right now. I'm not an activist… I don't make plans or join groups against generalization - I just thought that this needed to be discussed as the person arguing against me is so sure he is correct, and I need a clarification as to what the maturity and sanity of the rest of 64Digits is like. Just about none of you have made any mature argument yet.

Takagi 17 years, 7 months ago

Australia's gonna win Rhys. Admit it. I really wanted Bangladesh to get farther in the World Cup, but no, they lose. Hey, they kicked out India (seeded in the top 6 I believe).

And Lara is retiring. [:(]

Polystyrene Man 17 years, 7 months ago

Quote:
This is me dealing with it, right now. I'm not an activist… I don't make plans or join groups against generalization - I just thought that this needed to be discussed as the person arguing against me is so sure he is correct, and I need a clarification as to what the maturity and sanity of the rest of 64Digits is like. Just about none of you have made any mature argument yet.
"Deal with it" should have been "turn the other cheek", sorry.

Face it: There are tons of stereotypes out there, and people are stubborn. All that matters is that you know the truth, and they don't. Whomever was having this conversation with you likely won't change their mind about Australians, so it's best to just let it die.

RhysAndrews 17 years, 7 months ago

Quote:
"Deal with it" should have been "turn the other cheek", sorry.

Face it: There are tons of stereotypes out there, and people are stubborn. All that matters is that you know the truth, and they don't. Whomever was having this conversation with you likely won't change their mind about Australians, so it's best to just let it die.
The person wasn't trying to insult me or offend me… It's like "hello" *turns other cheek*. I believe I know the truth, but I would also be stubborn to not even consider the other person's arguments. Just, they're awful arguments that don't contradict mine whatsoever. And so, I thought I should bring it to a larger community to see who believes what - as a matter of interest.

-Rhys

Adventus 17 years, 7 months ago

He's probably Irish. Australia just beat Ireland in about 3 hours.