|bd| The Games Landfill

Posted by bendodge on Sept. 9, 2007, 1:08 a.m.

While browsing yoyogames.com, I have noticed an inordinate amount of junk games, beta games in the completed section, and games that aren't even games at all! Today I will attempt to examine the causes and effects, and some possible solutions.

Yoyogames.com makes it easy, almost too easy, to upload a game. I think this is a major cause of the bloat. For sites like the GMC, it takes considerably more work to make a topic good enough to keep from being instantly buried, locked or deleted. Other sites like 64Digits have a moderation system that very effectively shields us from such rubbish. Also, games are typically ordered by rating instead of replies on YYG, so a user need only make a duplicate account or two to shove his game to the top of this list, where it for some unfathomable reason gets all these jokers who say "INCREDEBLE! THIS SHOUDL BE GAME OF THE YEAR!!! lol XD rofl" and give it more high ratings. The game moderation also seems to be almost nonexistent, for many of the moderators are loath to enter the mess. This means that the behavior only gets worse.

The main effect is that fewer "respected" members frequent the site, and that YYG loses face. I'm not certain what next effect is, but it might be that the number of reports goes down since there are fewer "good citizens" browsing. This in turn would make the site harder for mods to keep tidy, which lowers the perceived standards. This could easily create a vicious cycle. Remember - this is just my speculation, but it is plausible.

My proposed solutions to the problem of declining moderation is that mods need to divert more time to YYG and work on bringing everything up to speed. It's always easier to keep a place clean than to clean it up. I'm not saying that all the mods are doing a bad job, but it will certainly take a motivated army to deal with YYG.com. Secondly, we as members need to do a better job of reporting junk. It's tempting to ignore games that are obviously trash, but it's better for everyone in the long run if they are reported or rated down.

I also believe there needs to be higher criteria for submitting games, even if it be just some more intelligent file filters on the server (the number of zipped images is amazing). If the perceived standards go up, new members will hopefully behave better. Members also must refrain from promoting junk on a whim.

I had to think hard about solutions to these problems, and the results were less than I had hoped for. Do you have a better idea?

<i>Next up: </i>Stemming the Idiot Tide<i> - Is 64Digits overrun with idiots?</i> (Please don't comment on this yet!)

Comments

a2h 17 years, 3 months ago

Good point about YYG. YYG simply makes it even easier for noobs to find a place where they can post their AWESUM GAEM which they want to be TEH NUMBER ONEZ FOR GMA!!!1111 Has YYG considered this?

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Downloag Game Maker 7

melee-master 17 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, I'd say the leading cause is the sheer simplicity of putting up your game there.

mazimadu 17 years, 3 months ago

I believe that there should be a game voting system that should be used to prevent trash from remaining on the site, similar to Newgrounds.com (I think I mentioned this before when the mods had difficulty accepting games).

How it works in newgrounds is that you upload a file and it enters a sort of waiting list. Here, anyone can view yhe movie/game. users, members and mods will view it and rate. At a scale of 1-5, any file with a rating less than 2 is instantly deleted from the site, (unless it is saved by the site mods, in the case of strawberryclock). This way, the good material stays on the site, the bad ones are deleted and mods can choose what goes on the front page, preventing the server from being clogged.

The problem with yoyogames is that they think they are like youtube, where anyone can make and post crap. If they are not careful they will have to spend thousands a year in hard drives, leasing to ads since it is free.

s 17 years, 3 months ago

Besides taking out the submit game button on the GM7 thing and all…

Just ignore YYG

Polystyrene Man 17 years, 3 months ago

Quote:
My proposed solutions to the problem of declining moderation is that mods need to divert more time to YYG and work on bringing everything up to speed. It's always easier to keep a place clean than to clean it up. I'm not saying that all the mods are doing a bad job, but it will certainly take a motivated army to deal with YYG.com. Secondly, we as members need to do a better job of reporting junk. It's tempting to ignore games that are obviously trash, but it's better for everyone in the long run if they are reported or rated down.
There is so much 'right' in this sentence that it bears repeating.

KaBob799 17 years, 3 months ago

A modified newgrounds system would work well. Soemthing like any game with 5 votes and a rating of 5/10 or higher gets auto-added and anything less has to be moderated.

noshenim 17 years, 3 months ago

after 10 votes:
-anytyhing below 2/10 should be removed from the site and the creaters submisions will have to be accepted my a moderator for a week
-anything else below 3/10 should be auto-deleted from the site
-anything else below 5/10 should be checked by a moderator to see if it is good enough for the site
-anything else below 7/10 should be checked by a moderator to be accepted to the good games list
-anything else should be auto-added to the good games list

Before 10 votes:
-every 2 days the game should be bumped to the top of the resent games list
-after 1 week a moderator should look at the game and accept/remove it

Queue rules
-a creater can only submit 2 games less than 2mb at a time
-a creater can only submit 4 games less than 10mb at a time
-any game larger than 15 mb will be checked by a moderator in case of spam

Site design
-light green on white is hard to read, so copy the newgrounds theme
-It takes about 10 seconds to load any yoyogames page except forums, so cut down on the graphics

cut down on the page size and have a game organizing system like the gmg

Scott_AW 17 years, 3 months ago

The whole idea of letting ex-microsoft employees handle a website was the first mistake…

Shork 17 years, 3 months ago

If you want a good game from yoyogames, search for "AYB." It may be the best game I have ever played, ever.