Protagonist Gender and Roles?

Posted by Castypher on Feb. 23, 2012, 6:22 p.m.

It's a small topic, but maybe I'll post these blogs now and again. I like input from people who can represent my target audience, so I'll try to make this nice and short. This is something my brother brought up. Basically, his reaction to Lixim's protagonist being made a girl was a little unexpected. In essence, he said that the majority of gamers are guys, despite the audience, and they all want to play as their own gender unless the main character is a sex icon.

To his first argument I mentioned Tomb Raider and Metroid, to which he pointed out that Tomb Raider is obviously boasting sex appeal, and even the early Metroid games (I didn't see the evidence) portrayed her Zero Suit as sexual.

I'm going to ask questions, then I'm going to answer them, but I still want your input, too.

First question:

In a video game of an arbitrary genre (or even a book), would you rather play/read about someone of your own gender? The opposite gender? Don't think it makes a difference if done well?

Honestly, I fall in the third. When reading, though, it's nice to be able to relate to the main character, but when playing a game, I like to feel like I should like the main character in a less personal way, if that makes sense.

Second question:

How do you see gender roles represented in video games? What would be a nice twist?

I'm getting tired of the space-marine badass guy, or the sex-icon woman. That only creates shallow characters. I like mixing things up, giving people specific quirks that are both likable and flawed. This is how I do my writing. But how different are video games?

Third question:

I always say "Cliches exist for a reason". Do you think this should remain true for gender roles in video games? Or would you think that an independent woman leading the story would be a nice break?

Again, I'm sick of how 90% of video games represent women as half naked and incapable. I've seen men appear in many different kinds, but there are few notable female characters who have nothing to do with sex appeal. Unless you count Touhou, but fans will be fans.

Fourth question:

Do you think that an independent teen girl would make a realistic protagonist for a game centered around simulated life, combat, imminent danger, and futuristic machinery? Would the sole fact that she's female deter you from playing it, despite the game's content? I'd like your honest opinion here, and I won't answer this one right off.

I've grown to appreciate your input, and I've realized that not everyone here is about trolling and the destruction of others for an ego boost. I've seen some very insightful conversations being held here. So long as criticism helps me in some way, I'll take anything you've got. Let the discussion commence.

Also, holy shit, there are 90 lurkers.

Comments

LAR Games 12 years, 8 months ago

Regarding video games, I recently played mirrors edge, and I didn't mind playing as a woman at all. That game is amazing.

Cesque 12 years, 8 months ago

This may surprise you, but from my experience, a lot of girls are familiar with Tomb Raider. Apparently, going for an oversexed girl protagonist in an adventure game marketed towards teenage boys can accidentally result in an adventurous female character who appeals to female audiences…

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In a video game of an arbitrary genre (or even a book), would you rather play/read about someone of your own gender? The opposite gender? Don't think it makes a difference if done well?

Depends on whether the game has a strong story to tell, in particular involving themes that don't have to be very familiar (in that case, it's better to have a solid character who fits the theme, rather than being "made for the audience"), or if it's a more open-ended world with less emphasis on the characters (where it's better to have someone familiar you can imagine you're playing as).

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How do you see gender roles represented in video games? What would be a nice twist?

This isn't an answer to your question per se, but I always sort of wanted to make a game where the protagonist is gay. Or where his sexuality is revealed in a twist towards the end. "Oh, and that love your badass dude went through so much to find/rescue? It's another guy."

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Again, I'm sick of how 90% of video games represent women as half naked and incapable. I've seen men appear in many different kinds, but there are few notable female characters who have nothing to do with sex appeal. Unless you count Touhou, but fans will be fans.

I think Valve games do a (relatively) good job.

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Do you think that an independent teen girl would make a realistic protagonist for a game centered around simulated life, combat, imminent danger, and futuristic machinery? Would the sole fact that she's female deter you from playing it, despite the game's content? I'd like your honest opinion here, and I won't answer this one right off.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. It sounds like the kind of game where it might work.

pounce4evur 12 years, 8 months ago

I always find it a nice surprise when I get to play as a girl character. Obviously, it doesn't happen often, because your brother is pretty right. There's a lot more guy gamers than girls, and it really is nice to be able to play as your own gender.

I think the key is to give your protagonist very few things that'll make the player uncomfortable. I was really disappointed when I realized that I didn't want to get through Duke Nukem for this reason. It was completely guy-oriented, and I didn't feel right playing it. So, in that same sense, if you choose a girl (and it sounds like you're leaning towards it), don't make her too girly, either.

Take Alice: Madness Returns as an example. I know dozens of guy gamers who bought and played through that game without thinking twice about her gender. But look at it. She's in a dress, fighting through a demented version of a little girl's playground. It's girly, but…is it really?

I don't know where I'm going with this. Lol I guess I'll stop now before I completely lose my train of thought.

LAR Games 12 years, 8 months ago

Man, I really need to get that Alice game. I played some of it and it's pretty awesome.

Anyone here played mirrors edge though?

Zhiko 12 years, 8 months ago

I could care less about the protagonist's gender in a video game. I'd rather play as a character that fits the story than one that fits the stereotypes.

F1ak3r 12 years, 8 months ago

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In essence, he said that the majority of gamers are guys, despite the audience, and they all want to play as their own gender unless the main character is a sex icon.
Portal and Iji are two of my very favourite games. Both have non-sex icon female protagonists. When I was about eight, I might have been against playing as a female character in a game, but then I grew up.

In a video game of an arbitrary genre (or even a book), would you rather play/read about someone of your own gender? The opposite gender? Don't think it makes a difference if done well?

It really doesn't make a difference to me, although I must admit that most of my favourite books have male protagonists, but that's more to do with there being more of them.

How do you see gender roles represented in video games? What would be a nice twist?

Honestly, just showing people as people would be nice - in all media. Men are people and so are women. If we focus on that, we can have realistic and diverse casts of characters that don't feed stereotypes. see MLP:FiM

I always say "Cliches exist for a reason". Do you think this should remain true for gender roles in video games? Or would you think that an independent woman leading the story would be a nice break?

Nope, screw gender roles. Independent woman who appear in games without appearing in game-merchandise pinups are totally something we need more of. And men don't have to be meathead space-marines - being a man's not about muscles and booze, after all.

Do you think that an independent teen girl would make a realistic protagonist for a game centered around simulated life, combat, imminent danger, and futuristic machinery? Would the sole fact that she's female deter you from playing it, despite the game's content? I'd like your honest opinion here, and I won't answer this one right off.

Yes to the first and no to the second. See Iji in Iji and YT in Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash.

Castypher 12 years, 8 months ago

Wow, I came back to some very nice comments. I appreciate the time you took to go through this. Now and then, I do wonder what others think, because when it comes to story and character design, I usually don't ask for opinions until I'm done or at least well into it. It's nice to receive supportive feedback, and it's nice to have a good discussion.

But

…You all do realize that you've now locked yourself into playing this game…. Right…?

Not really

JuurianChi 12 years, 8 months ago

I would play it.

Rob 12 years, 8 months ago

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In RPG's I also tend to use magicians and assassins for female roles, and fighter roles for male. With exceptions of course

Where do you get females as mages? That always struck me as a more male thing. I usually assume assassin/rogue/etc to be a young female, a fighter/warrior to be a young male, and a mage/wizard to be an old male.

Rolf_Soldaat 12 years, 8 months ago

I enjoy playing as and reading about strong female (non-sexualized) characters.

For example: My favorite character from Song of Ice and Fire is Arya, and Iji is one of my favorite games.