this is beautifully put, and what i'm trying to learn. this piece of text answered me many questions i had, and some i didn't have. what i MOSTLY want to know is what you guys think about it. this is something i agree with 100%, and if you disagree, i would love to know why.
growing up, i was very optional to others. the "friends" i grew up with immediately replaced me with other friends when i was away. i wasn't one of those kids that would be missed if he was gone. i didn't go out a lot, and when i did, i didn't notice the other kids wanting to hang out with me too much. at around ages 8-11, i was already a filtered kid that was super neurotic about what the other kids thought of him. this worked against me more than anything else, because i would always think of what to do to please the other kids and of course this never worked. some of my "friends" called me retarded behind my back, stole things from me, never invited me to play games with them, never bothered to find me once i was the last one in the hide-and-seek game if i ever got to play (which i've played probably 3 times total my whole life). i. was. an. option.hitting necessity is exactly what got me to feel the strong bonds this guy is talking about. i'm as open as i can be with my roommate and if me and him were to stop being friends i WOULD feel like there was something missing from my life. same thing with an increasing number of co-workers… if i were to quit my job i'd be super sad about it because of the group of people i would stop seeing. co-workers that are actually happy to see me because i try to be open with them too.
Quote: rocketpans on reddit
**Most people don't know how to form functional relationships.**When you are younger, you are more open because you haven't yet accumulated enough filters from adults and society. You are just starting to experience judgment from others ("That shirt is stupid", "That question was retarded.") You have to tell children to shut up because they are *too loud*. You have to tell adults to speak up because they are *too quiet.* Boundaries are necessary to growth. But most people grow up with improper boundaries placed upon them; society is very good at telling you want NOT to do (don't smoke, don't get bad grades, etc), but it's horrible at telling you what *to do*.For example, think of all the myriad ways society punishes you for poor dating habits. Loser, loner, virgin, too ugly, too fat, too dumb, creepy, bad hygiene, etc. There are too many ways to count. But when it comes to actively give you the right direction, telling you the right way to date, society is conspicuously silent. Or you get the bullshit/impractical ("be confident, be yourself") advice that never works. Most of the time you end up in the friendzone revealing just how shitty that advice really is.As you grow you adopt the same mentality that society has grown up with. **"DON'T do [insert bad action]…."**"DO [insert generic impractical advice]"As a result, most of your relationships are borne of convenience; you're located in the same place, you like the same sports, you have the same hobbies. And at a young age, you're open enough to share these things. You sit next to someone in class and you talk about your G.I. Joes or the TV shows you like with abandon. It's very easy to make friends because children are very up front with their expectations. They wear their happiness and displeasure on their faces and you can hear it in their voices very clearly. This makes managing relationships much easier. But as you grow older and encounter more and more moral judgment, you close up more and more because you fear the rejection of others more and more. You become a neurotic people pleaser. Also, people don't learn the difference between forming relationships around necessities vs. forming relationships around commonalities. This is why most relationships are dysfunctional in nature; jocks hang with jocks. Art fags hang with art fags. Hipsters hang with hipsters. Blacks hang with blacks. Rich people hang with rich people, and so on. Everybody is on the look out for common *cultural associations*. **Very few are ever taught to pay attention to their necessities.**Necessities are the basis for functional relationships. They are the people you actually miss when they leave, instead of the people you just wish you were around so you could have a little more fun with smoking weed or playing basketball.When you form relationships around commonalities, you create OPTIONS.Optional people are different than essential people. Optional people are like your waiter; you think you need them because they are serving you food and it seems like they're important at the time. But in reality, you could replace them in an instant with any other common waiter standing around. Essential relationships are formed around necessities.These are satisfying relationships because they do more than just give you a good time. That actually meet your *needs.* Your mom and dad don't necessarily give you a fun time every day, but they *meet your needs.* Same with a spouse. Same with any person who you are very open with, who you discuss your necessities with and who can meet those necessities. These are the people that become essential to your life. These are the people that become your arm and your legs–when they are removed from your life, *it hurts.* This is the difference between a bond of convenience and a bond of necessity.Everything we do in life, every activity, every decision, every action is related to fulfilling our needs. We don't smoke just for the hell of it, we don't parachute out of airplanes, we don't join the military, we don't play video games, we don't go to raves, we don't surf the internet, we don't post on reddit for fake internet points just because we can. All these things are attempts to fulfill our needs in some way. If we recognize this and get down to the core reasons behind our actions, we realize just how powerful necessity is in governing our lives. The beauty of necessity is that everyone's needs are universal. Although there are different activities and different cultures around the world, they are all governed by the same attempt to meet the exact same necessities. If you understand this, it become much easier to aim at necessity when forming your relationships. It becomes much easier to form a relationship with anyone. Commonalities are hit and miss. They give you a false sense of belonging. But they are options because you can switch out commonalities like changing hats. You can switch tennis for swimming. You can switch rich for poor. You can switch athlete for nerd. You can switch gang banger for girl scout. They are all equally optional designations and ultimately worthless distinctions. Necessity on the other hand hits **EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.** You don't have to guess what necessities the other person has because you have the *exact same needs.* Everyone on earth has the exact same needs. Forming relationships around necessities is much harder to do because it requires you to learn how to open up again, but it's also much simpler once you become skilled at it.
I partially agree with Steven, do not depend on someone else to make you happy. Be independent and do whatever the hell you want. Our modern western middle class life allows us to do that, thanksfully.
However, the part in any discussion that always makes me roll my eyes a bit is whenever someone blames something on the nebulous subject 'society' or 'humans'. This is just trying to shift the responsibility on some not very well defined third party, and that never helps fixing the problem in question (if we are talking about a problem at all)You see, you, me, and everyone else, *are* that society, we *are* those humans, therefore whenever you blame something on society or humans in general, you are only blaming yourself.If I'm going to be honest, I would say stop worrying about relationships - they are fickle things that just cause stress and if you're looking for opinions, you're probably not ready to be in a serious one.
This person has written a lot and said little. It's not hard to tell the difference between real relationships, of all kinds (friends, lovers, etc.), that will last and those that will waver, people just convince themselves otherwise because it's easier to pretend than be rational and think longterm or have hard conversations. People get fucking MARRIED before discussing goals, beliefs, religion, politics, and other serious things that dictate lives and futures.Don't ever NEED someone else. If someone dies you keep living. Loving is different from being a parasite that can't live without a host.I don't want to make you feel bad, but roommates and coworkers are the definition of "convenience". You're friends because of proximity and duration more than anything else. If you take that away and are still on the same level, you have something real. Most friendships and relationships could never stand the test of time and distance. You aren't really in love if you can't do long distance - but this doesn't mean you ARE in love because you can, time is still a factor.I have one friend and hundreds of aquaintances that I call friend because it's more polite than telling everyone where they stand. I would consider a lot of you all closer to me than many people I've spent a lot of time with in real life.Edit: The one friend I have I met in 3rd grade. I moved in 5th and started talking to him again in 7th grade and we've been best friends since. Thick and thin, heartbreak, venting, art, video games, disagreements, living hours away… no matter what, there is a mutual bond and respect that DID start in convenience but showed itself to be real. None of my other friendships have been on that level. Everyone else is selfish and only truely cares about themselves and their own well being, which is fine, but doesn't make for a friend I'd want to have.There are good people in the world, but too few.All relationships start with convenience. You see someone a few times and then find common interests because that's all you can talk to someone about if you just met them. Some of them you get to know better and become good friends.
I disagree with Steven, there are people that are willing to be there for you, I don't think people should be dependent on others but there are certainly benefits of openning up to and trusting others.Depending upon other people and setting yourself up to be DESTROYED if the other person leaves or dies is not intelligent nor does it even provide you with happiness in the moment - to be so chained/obsessed is not healthy.
if you disagree, then what WOULD be the way to go? i want to know how you guys would approach this problem of relationships.
acid, i already don't want to follow your advice on ignoring relationships because i went from suicidal to NOT suicidal by doing the opposite – SEEING that they are a necessity. which makes me think, why do you think YOU are different and DON'T need relationships? i get depressed if i'm alone and have no friends. why can YOU get by and it feels like a drag if i try to get by like that?mmorpg guy, your blogs are drunken rants. why is this more mentally disturbing than that?steven, you depend on others for food. you don't grow your own food. you literally can't say you can't depend on others to meet your needs when you go to a store and buy food FROM others. this is already contradictory.josea, yes, we are that society. i don't disagree with you there. this post still applies.I'm not going to sit here and argue about technicalities (or at least i don't want to)… but if you're saying this is something to disagree on, then you have an idea in your head on how it should get done. THAT'S what i want to know.It doesn't really sound like you grasped any of what I said, but if you aren't looking for debate, I'm not going to try to push you into one.
I've heard someone say once that "When a man asks for advice, he has already made up his mind and really just wants confirmation."http://blogs.sas.com/content/datamanagement/2014/08/13/can-data-change-an-already-made-up-mind/Edit: What nap said is SORT OF like what I said, but shorter and without the emphasis on why needing people is bad. Also, be careful because you said you didn't want arguments on technicalities and then pointed out technicalities to try to counter other people's comments (i.e. Steven's).yeah my bad… i think text is a ridiculously inefficient way at arguing so i wouldn't do it unless we were all in the same room. just ignore those technicalities because that's not what i really want.
eh, yeah, i've already made up my mind. but nothing solidifies an idea that works more than the counterfeit ideas that don't work. i.e. the mistakes that took to GET to the idea that works. hence why i don't want to argue, there's no convincing me otherwise, so i do want to know WHY you guys stick to your disagreements and see if you're as passionate about them as i am.