RA - Chiken, noob.

Posted by RhysAndrews on March 15, 2008, 1 a.m.

(read my second part if you like, just go to my user page)

Hi everybody.

I haven't touched 64-Digits in a while, just haven't really bothered. Heck, I still have all the GameCave gear for my avatar / banner etc.

There's not much new… I'm working a little bit GM-wise but not much… just finishing up Conflict: Arcade, planning another project, may also be writing a third GameCave Console (but won't be calling it that).

Some of you might've played Chiken's early *ONLINE* demo of Conflict: Online. I need to assure you that the game won't be going ahead, I'm sorry that Chiken brought your hopes up, if they by any chance did. It was a breach of our agreement for him to release a demo that early or even release info of the project going ahead to anybody outside a small circle. I'm sick of him not listening to me or following simple instructions so I'm just not going to let him continue work on it now. I still don't think he gets the point, he's just too narrow-minded.

He publicly posted this text document as a response to an email I sent him:

http://willhostforfood.com/users/ChIkEn/Lolnoob.txt

In response… The bugginess of the game is still something I stand by but it has nothing to do with whether you are able to continue work on it or not. You STILL BROKE THE AGREEMENT.

The work of the members is protected by the copyright laws of their own country. I've looked at the info for both US and Australian copyright infringement laws, and they both state that as soon as my work becomes material, it is protected. All information for the related laws here: http://www.copyright.org.au/information/specialinterest/faq/G050.pdf

I quote from the aforementioned document:

"A person infringes copyright if they deal with protected material in one of the ways exclusively controlled by the copyright owner( s ) without permission. For computer programs, the uses which require permission include making a reproduction and making an "adaptation" (such as an object code version of a program in source code). If the computer program has been made commercially available, the relevant licensing agreement may set out what permissions the copyright owner has given in relation to the way that program and any accompanying material (Such as text or graphics, including typeface designs) is used."

In other words, although I gave you (informal) permission to make an adaptation, it was through an agreement. If you accuse me that the agreement was not a formal contract, I can just accuse you that the permission was not a formal contract either, which is included in the agreement anyway.

In quote from the US Copyright Office:

"When is my work protected?

Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. "

I also quote from the Conflict: Arcade License:

"Conflict: Arcade and all files in the package are Copyright © 2005-2008 all respected owners. All rights are reserved by Australian Copyright Laws."

"No resources (soundtrack, graphics, concepts, etc) may be used without permission and approval by the resources' respected owners, through contact with Rhys Andrews.

At any point, the respected owners may withdraw a previously made agreement, approval, or permit."

I'm able to bring quotes from the official offices here to support my argument, I'm still waiting for Chiken's reasoning for his statement. I do not need to have filing papers for legal rights to C:A - it is not a registered copyright. It doesn't NEED to be. The name isn't copyrighted, it's the source, the graphics, and so on.

Chiken if you're really confident on your points talk to me privately instead of showing off how much of a dick you really are online. Everybody knows who created this game. You can't seriously call "Grabbing somebody elses game and adding a few bits to it" legal - this stuff is all OVER the GMC and YoYo Games… you can't steal other peoples' work!

Comments

DSG 16 years, 9 months ago

It's worth it. It's chiken… legally rape him.

Cesar 16 years, 9 months ago

DSG, you're being a total dipshit for rooting for Rhys just because you hate chiken, if it was chiken that that happened to, then you'd be on the opposing side. Even though Chiken is a dick and what he did is wrong, Rhys is making waay too big of a deal out of this. If he truly loved the project he wouldn't have gotten chiken in on it in the first place. :P

Oh yeah, I'm not on either side, by the way, even though it looks like I'm going for chiken.

SquareWheel 16 years, 9 months ago

You may have loved this project, but having it shut down isn't exactly showing your love. :/

I too, am taking a mutual standpoint. It does seem rather unfair to the fans though that you are removing any hope of it's completion, that is if I interpreted your blog correctly.

DSG 16 years, 9 months ago

Actually, I don't like chiken ANYWAY. If it happened to chiken, I'd just laugh.

ESA 16 years, 9 months ago

lol@DSG

Firebird 16 years, 9 months ago

internet fight

RhysAndrews 16 years, 9 months ago

The project I'm having shut down is hardly my project if Chiken is not listening to any of my input or decisions… he has made himself the owner of a project that isn't his.

I would love for this project to be completed online, but I'm not going to let Chiken selfishly do it by himself. My hesitant decision to allow him to take on such a larger role in the first place was because I thought he'd be mature enough to actually stay true to the agreement. The fact that I made such strict conditions for him to work on this game is just another testament to how much I love it.

RhysAndrews 16 years, 9 months ago

I'm sorry, but if I were to have this online game completed I would also ensure it was to a higher standard than what Chiken is aiming for. From our previous arguments he is developing an awful mechanics/dynamics engine for movements and collisions, which doesn't reflect how I'd planned to have it developed.

Too often has he argued that his methods were better than the one's we were planning to use for CO, and so I can tell if he were to finish this project it would turn out nowhere near the standard I wish to approach it with. Yes, I want CO released, but I don't want someone else releasing it by their standards and not mine. To me, this is like a child taken away from me and raised up by some strict Catholic family who think they're helping the child when all the child wants is his father…. *AAWWWW*.

-Rhys

ESA 16 years, 9 months ago

Quote: ChIkEn
No, i'm incapable of listening to gay instructions.

lol, I didn't know instructions had their own sexuality.

KaBob799 16 years, 9 months ago

Maybe they instruct you to partake in gay activities.

Losing control of your own project must suck =/