Controversial Blog #1: Gays.

Posted by Shork on July 26, 2007, 5:17 a.m.

I noticed that blogs that cause controversies are blogs that get hits. Firebee recently wrote a blog about evolution vs creationism. I supported the evolutionist side becuase I feel that creationism limits God's power. If you had infinite power, making the entire universe in just 6 days seems boring. I want big bangs. Besides, the scientific evidence all supports evolution anyway. If you try to claim that the bible is good enough evidence, remember, the bible said that the Earth was the center of the universe and that pi is exactly three. Parts of the bible are excellent for trying to figure out how to live your life, but it's not that hot at doing science.

I got annoyed that people seemed to ignore scientific evidence and basic facts, many seemed proud to be scientifically illiterate. I thought "How could some one be this foolish, not to pay attention to class at least?" but that's when it hit me. Firebee didn't post that blog to debate evolution or creationism, he wanted blog views. If I want blog views, I need controversy. So I'm starting a series of blogs garaunteed to piss you off at least once.

Here goes: Gay marriage. I favor it.

For millenia, marriage has been defined not solely by the requirements of reproduction, but by cultural and religious views. For example, early judaism, mormonism, and modern day islam all included polygamy as an accepted, and even encouraged practice. In ancient greece, 30 year old men would hold their 15 year old boyfriends in higher esteem than their 13 year old wives. Marriage is not a consistant feature of human society, it has not always been a "one man, one woman" institution.

The one thing marriage has always been is religious. People get married in churches, thier church establishes rules for who can marry who. The idea of marriage conferring certain legal rights and status is a recent development, only beginning in the late 1700s. Since marriage has always been religious, is it correct for government to get involved in who can and who can't get married? I support getting the government out of the marriage license business all together. The government should instead issue a civil union to any pair of individuals over the age of 18 and consenting. This civil union would grant all the tax, property, and healthcare rights currently associated with marriage. Then, if a couple wants to be called married, they can go and find a church willing to do it. If a church was willing to marry a man to a banana, then let them. Just don't give them a civil union.

Therefore, I feel that gays have the right to get married, in a church willing to do it, and should get all the rights of a married couple through a civil union. There are too many physical traits like hair whorls, finger lengths, and the proportion of limb to torso size that are all correlated to homosexuality to make being gay a choice. You can't choose which way your hair grows, afterall. This fact puts sexual orientation in the same classification as race or disability, it's just something your born with, and therefore should not be discriminated against.

And besides, who would want to stop two hot russian supermodel lesbians from marrying each other.

Comments

Shork 17 years, 4 months ago

The pi equals three thing is a good way of annoying bible-thumpers. I know that the ancient isrealites didn't have rulers for measuring their giant bowls. I'm not a moron. It's just an example showing that not every word of the bible is the literal word of God himself, presented to man on golden tablets or whatever. Another good thing to do is to point out that the book of Genesis has three slightly different creation stories. Which one is right?

Grand-High Gamer 17 years, 4 months ago

Sumo: My point is that your exsisting cells would retain their shape and you would not insantly become a large round fruit. Eventually your body would start producing the wrong chemicals and producing new watermelon cells and you'd die though.

Also, saying the Earth is the center of the universe isn't incorrect persay, with the universe being realitive you could call every single atom "the center of the universe", in the same way you could question wether the chicken crosses the road or the road crosses the chicken, it depends on your frame of reference.

mixahman 17 years, 4 months ago

"free-for-all'' has a nice ring to it.

Shork 17 years, 4 months ago

But the speed of light is the same in all reference frames!

Juju 17 years, 4 months ago

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if you changed your dna into a watermelon's dna, you'd be a watermelon. you're a complete fucking idiot. just like people who take the bible as scientific evidence, that's totally more fucked up than you.
The fact that he belivies in DNA is probably a good argument against him reading the Bible literally.

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If circumference is 2 x pi x radius, then pi must be 3.
That was probably adaquate when your building material was horse shit and straw, but that doesn't cut it any more XD

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Divorces become common. Unwed mothers roam the streets, and fatherless children grow up alone. The nation descends into a pit of crime
Woah, steady on tiger! Declaring unwed mothers are "street roamers" and claiming that children who don't have frequent contact with their biological fathers lead to crime is a bit of a bold step. I know many, many children whose parents have split up and they're perfectly fine. In fact, they're often nicer people than those with fathers.

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…and common sense establishes rules like "You can't marry a banana." …and all for the mindless pursuit of pleasure.
What are you suggseting about bananas and their usage? XD

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4. homosexual animals? Hah. You know, I have a dog that chases other dogs and has almost killed several… does that mean that she's a dog-killer by nature? OR (as is far, far more likely) is it something she's learned to do?
There have been many cases of homosexuality being observed in dolphins and other mammals. There have been many cases of cannabilism in almost all species of carnivorous animals. How you link the two together is up to you, but both show conscious decision on the part of the animal. This isn't, as you suggest, merely learning. You treat animals as if they can barely think and only learn actions by rote, whereas they often act through desire for their own well-being. Carnivorous activity in new Lion pride males eating the cubs of the old pride leader shows that the primary male wants to stamp authority and maintain his command. Homosexual activity in mammals across the board (and in this I include Homo Sapiens) is done for the benefit of the two animals.

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If homosexuality is an involuntary condition, how come people renounce that lifestyle?
If you apply this mantra to your previous arguments, then you are claiming that gays aren't disease-stricken, just plain old weak. So every gay man and woman in the world is just a feeble individual. That would explain the fight for LGBT rights across the Western world and ermerging economies, would? Homosexuals right for their right to exist and feel how they want to feel. By oppressing them using your ridiculous claim of a widespread disease, you are eliminating the a part of Humanity.

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Just as I thought. You're so hung up on your own belief that you're willing to disregard every argument to the contrary, and just blindly support your own theory.
So, omicron1, master of the counter-argument, how can you justify treating homosexual members of society as psychologically ill when a group of highly trained doctors and psychiatrists such as the World Health Organisation have no doubt poured over literally thousands of pieces of evidence for many years and decided that it is a choice of the human brain? Your knowledge and understanding of the subject will be infinitely smaller than such an organisation. Is it not just as obstinate to ignore these men and women who have done research on your behalf? The answer is simple, you're just plain prejudiced.

Flea1991 17 years, 4 months ago

The Bible also stated Earth was circular, not flat (Actually, it's a sphere elongated at each pole but, as omicron1 said, they weren't scientists; besides, many still say "the world is round.") and the water cycle…

And, according to the Bible, most of it's contents are what figures in it have stated before. God just had a penman write those statements down.

SleepinJohnnyFish 17 years, 4 months ago

Quote: Juju
The fact that he belivies in DNA is probably a good argument against him reading the Bible literally.
I really hope you don't seriously believe that DNA doesn't exist… it's proven scientific fact, and nothing in the Bible speaks against it either so I don't know what you're talking about.

It should be mentioned however, that watermelons do not have DNA… I can't believe no one mentioned that.

Quote: Juju
That was probably adaquate when your building material was horse shit and straw, but that doesn't cut it any more XD
The pyramids, temples, and most ancient dwellings you find were not made with the infamous bricks-made-from-straw that the Egyptians invented mainly as a way of punishing the Israelites (they had to make a product that was not only difficult to produce but not also not worth the effort when limestone was available.

Quote: Flea1991
God just had a penman write those statements down.
Yes, the Bible was indeed written with human hands, and is therefore completely subjective to small mistakes and the like. If you truly believe that these people, filled with the power of God, were incapable of mistakes, feel free to look up spelling mistakes that were found in the old scrolls, or how about the simpler task of looking up contradictions in the bible?

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

As for the famous "101 contradictions in the Bible", that particular list was created by Muslims and then quickly discredited since almost all of the contradictions could be explained… bad move for Islam…. but anyway, the links I've posted are of mostly undisproven contradictions.

SleepinJohnnyFish 17 years, 4 months ago

Now listen guys… omicron1 will continue to "support" his arguments with "facts" that he never backs up, and when he tries, I will do the research needed to prove him wrong, so everyone can just sit back and relax, and ignore him. He's a complete idiot.

SleepinJohnnyFish 17 years, 4 months ago

Also, in before someone asks the question about creating a rock you can't lift. I know someone will ask it, and it's a dumb-ass argument so I just want to say, I see it coming, and you aren't clever.

Shork 17 years, 4 months ago

Dick Cheney can make a meeting so secret, not even he knows about it.