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War and peace...

Posted by omicron1 on Feb. 2, 2007, 12:48 p.m.

…or, why hippies are idiots.

So I wrote a reply to a "we're killing the planet" blog, and part of it I decided to repost here:

There are a bunch of idiots who think that everything should be peace - peace, peace, peace. No fighting, no violence, no killing - a utopia on Earth, as it were. Problem with that is, it's been tried. And it failed. There's a book I read once - "The Arcadians." A bunch of naturalists back in the nineteenth century decided to live in nature and be nonviolent - they failed. Within a couple of weeks, one was drinking (alcohol, not water) and they were all angry at each other. The settlement fell apart.

Now, I'm not saying peace is bad - far from it. Peace is a good thing. It's just when people try to take the pie without paying the pieper that things get sticky. Humans are basically evil. And not in the "Ooh, we're killing trees! We're evil!" kind of way - in the "I'm going to kill you because I want your house" kind of way. There is NO WAY to have a perfectly peaceful earth. Those that only act in peace are trampled by those who act out of desire - just like the Vikings and those they raided. In order to keep the Vikings away, peace-loving villages without standing armies would basically give the vikings money in order to uphold that peace. Remember 9/11? The reason behind that horrible act? Why did the terrorists decide to fly a plane into the WTC? Why did they attack the United States? Were we doing something to them? Were we attacking them? No. We were being "peaceful." Holding "peace talks." Trying to negotiate for "peace." However, we happened to be supporting Israel - which was something these terrorists didn't like. So they walked onboard a bunch of planes, took them over, and killed thousands of Americans. We were being overly peaceful - and it cost us. But - and here's where things took a turn for the better - we didn't sit and take it. We stood up and fought back. We became active and vigilant in our defense against terrorism - and since that day, there have been no more World Trade Center disasters. Our current peace is preserved not through peacemongering, but through defensive war.

In closing, there's a sentence that easily applies here: "Peace is good. Peace without war… is impossible."

Comments

s 17 years, 10 months ago

The ColdWar was nice beacause all they had were espionage strikes, so no nukes were really fired. That is another nice note, while the US is one of the most scared countries of atomic strikes, they are the only country to actually use a nuke agaisnt another, and they used 2.

Quietus 17 years, 10 months ago

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I'm simply speaking off of your quote - "fighting for peace is like ******* for virginity" (censored for good taste). If that isn't a plea for pacifism without violence, I don't know what is.

It was a joke. I wasn't being serious because I don't bother wasting time arguing with people like you anymore.

Amarin 17 years, 10 months ago

Peace is impossible - people have different requirements that can't be reached, because another requirement needs to be…

omicron1 17 years, 10 months ago

Nasty rude comment from Rob deleted.

->frenchcon1: just about nothing you said made any sense. Let me try to wade through some of it…

"did you get beaten b your teachers for that little speech?" - I am homeschooled. End of story.

"The extremists are dumb they expect all of us to live like them because it is 'the way of god'" - Completely off-topic. And did you for one second think about this? What if they're right? What if (as I believe, by the way) the Christian God IS God? Then you'll be eating some extremely big plates of crow, french. Fact is, all the arguments I've seen against religion are based on the assumption that it is wrong - and that is not a good place to start ANY argument from.

"THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY, PEOPLE!

GET A GRIP!" - This is the century in which they make miles of wooden walls to protect a rare fly! This is the century in which people are forced out of their homes because someone found an endangered species on their property! This is the century in which a woman attacked by a crocodile can't defend herself without being sued! This is the century in which everyone's harping on one eco-disaster after another - and they all seem not to happen! The oil supply was supposed to have run out by 1980, people! So why are we still driving?!? WE are not the ones who need to get a grip.

->serprex: Way to completely ignore what I said. What if there were no espionage strikes by the US? What if the US had put up no resistance to the USSR's side? Then, there would have been nuclear strikes.

->quietus: I got nothin'. Just - those who don't stand up for their beliefs are doomed to lose.

s 17 years, 10 months ago

Espionage has less effect on the general population…and makes more ignorant voters…

Being homeschooled, do you find you are less exposed to other ideas?

omicron1 17 years, 10 months ago

->serprex: no, I don't. I am not force-fed evolutionary theory and pro-homosexual ideas - but I have encountered them often online.

s 17 years, 10 months ago

Homophobe too eh? Ya, we're gonna have to agree to disagree…Or else we'll never agree, our foundational morals are just WAY too different…

SleepinJohnnyFish 17 years, 10 months ago

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It's just when people try to take the pie without paying the pieper that things get sticky.

Never talk like that.

Also, it should be noted that the terrorists responsible for 9/11 had many reasons to attack the World Trade Center towers, many of which included us bombing areas that they inhabited… We weren't being peaceful.

Also, there are many countries that are not at war with anyone, and although they are not fully passive, are not currently in any war-zones. In fact, some countries have no military units deployed at all, and they're doing fine. Don't be a dumbass. We aren't in trouble because of attempts at peace. We're in trouble because we've discarded the way international relations should work in favor of going after the things that make our country successful, which in turn makes our government a failure. Ironic, no?

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Remember Poland during WW2? It was a neutral country. No interest in war against Germany. But what did Hitler do? The first country he conquered in World War 2 was none other than… surprise, surprise… peaceful Poland.

Poland fought back, dumbfuck.

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Resistance can be aprt of peace. Peace does not mean disarmament. Peace does not mean passiveness toward war. Peace does not mean cowering. Peace would only be that we wouldn't outrightly show up as a contender when a challenger who wasn't a threat to us appeared. You have a warped view of how military action works. We don't need to attack anyone that doesn't threaten our way of life, but we do need to defend ourselves, and we can do so peacefully without giving in to pressure.

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->serprex: no, I don't. I am not force-fed evolutionary theory and pro-homosexual ideas - but I have encountered them often online.

After going to a public school where although evolution is taught, the majority of students were Christian and did not believe the theory of evolution, I have to say that you have a strange view of how education works outside of homeschooling. We aren't force-fed anything, just offered ideas as to how the world works. We can deny them if we please, and many people do. Also, in mentioning pro-homosexual ideas, that's only natural. If you hate a person for doing something sinful (which I assume is your view here since you mentioned you were a Christian) then you would have to hate everyone, since everyone on Earth lives in sin, and does so by their own will, no matter what religion they are.

s 17 years, 10 months ago

Ya, look at Japan. They dropped all military for the past 60 years and are VERY successful.

ludamad 17 years, 10 months ago

Eh hem. Hitler attacked Poland because it was close and it was part of his agenda to get rid of the slavs. There were also a large number of jews there at that time. Don't make false connections.