Entropy of Intelligence+meme

Posted by s on July 1, 2008, 8:55 a.m.

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Given intelligence is applied with entropy, the basis should then give that when it is more distributed it is useless. This therefore implies that the feared brain drain which concentrates intelligence into a focused area is a good process. Still, to create a useful concentration which lowers the entropy of an area requires the increase in entropy elsewhere, thus the loss of intelligence from where they are being absorbed

Therefore, we need to stop trying to stop brain drains and let the intelligence focus itself into a giant laser beam that will blow up Earth with spiky hot meteors

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Now then, I will silently pay my meme debt

(You really shouldn't read these things, I'm sure they're bad for your health)

Five years ago I was 11. I was entering G6 which means I was still in my long period of drone. I had premature obsessions through G6 which were of basic philosophy, classical music, any child TV show, couldn't sit through a movie, read fiction and played video games, didn't really look at life, was for the Green Party

A couple years later I was sick of philosophy because I figured it was all just jaw jabber, I was listening to squeaky MIDIs, watched Opera, could sit through a movie if ordered to, wasn't reading too much, was spending time with GM more than playing video games (besides a bit of SNES emulating), saw life as dying but no reason to pout, and was for the Green Party

(This may seem like a dark age, but I also found the internet and Wikipedia. So I sat around learning)

Now I'm interested in reading about philosophy and from that developing my own philosophy, listening to techno that isn't MIDI, TV is boring, I'll watch a movie even if it isn't a comedy (Then again, science fiction movies are still comedies), been reading again (More variety, like nonfiction), have spread my language knowledge to a variety of languages (Foundational knowledge, I'm not really one to write Lisp or Haskell code, but I understand their basis. Lisp also was a good introduction to functional programming and I've further found that beauty in Python. Anyone who reads these unfronteds already knows how often I learn a new language. As Tom said "You're learning a new language every time I talk to you, slow down"(In reply to my learning Javascript for Project Parallax(I ended up teaching him a few things about how Javascript's functional paradigm, since it has first class functions))), see life as the instantaneous beauty of entropy, and am for the more humanitarian environmental parties (Like the NDP). Oh, and I actually look into what I believe in now

Oh, and religion. Atheist, but I've been a bit more agnosticly atheist recently

@Sk8=Hobbies are for people who need to do more work

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Comments

shawn 16 years, 6 months ago

I stopped reading after the first sentence

I think your blog screwed up one of my eyes

PY 16 years, 6 months ago

Yes, intelligence does that to some people.

I cannot believe you memed, serp.

s 16 years, 6 months ago

I also followed the music meme, the friend meme(to the anger of REZ, who didn't like my void list of friends) and I made a vote for Marbs banner. Just didn't front it

Juju 16 years, 6 months ago

Unless intelligence is a form of energy, one cannot apply thermodynamics to it. Even if we assume intelligence is an energy store, one cannot reduce the entropy of intelligence by concentrating it, one cannot reorder intelligence without creating further entropy.

s 16 years, 6 months ago

Applying a concept where it doesn't belong allows one to think of ways that things are similar. While it might not be as strict, it is still a place to start. Simple concepts are beautiful because of their generality, given enough flexibility they can be applied to most things

What can't be applied to intelligence is the the first law, and therefore I'd think it can't be viewed as energy. It can be distributed, however, and that does allow entropy to have some relations. And one can reduce the entropy of a system, given an increase in surrounding systems. By grouping intelligence we drain other areas. But just as we group energy in power plants to deploy it for use in what the loss couldn't be originally used for, we may be able to group intelligence and deploy it for an application which is more difficult to do with distributed intelligence

(Excuse the bloated text, it isn't often I get to directly discuss these things very often and am therefore lacking in how to go about it concisely)

Juju 16 years, 6 months ago

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Applying a concept where it doesn't belong allows one to think of ways that things are similar.
The application, therefore, should be taken with a pinch of salt or, if it seems illogical and non-empirical, discouraged altogether.

It is possible to destroy and create intelligence, one does not need to conserve intelligence. Intelligence cannot be stored as such, only knowledge (the product of intelligence, work and time) may be stored. At a first glance, energy and intelligence are utterly different.

However, I do believe there is an effective entropy of intelligence, as you pointed out, that not all the intelligence in a group of people can necessarily be brought to bear on a single issue. As a result, if one treats a collection of people as a system, there is undeniabley useful and unused intelligence which leads to a degree of entropy.

I'd say that entropy of intelligence is not like entropy of energy beyond the most basic definition - the amount of a unuseable property (energy or intelligence) in a given system. Let us call the entropy of intelligence intropy.

Let us say intropy, S, is the rate of change of useable intelligence, I, with respect to the number of people, N:

S = dI / dN

Intropy is constant with respect to the number of people

S = -k * N

Hence, via separation of variables:

I = e^( -k * N )

Considering this is for one person, a group of N people must show I * N intelligence.

If we take k to be 0.2, the graph shows that the greatest effective intelligence occurs at around 4-6 people. The effective intelligence peters out with more and more people, reaching close to 0. Clearly, a few people are intelligent and rational - many people are stupid and foolish. If the value of k is higher, 0.45 for example, the optimum number is 2-3 people. k is the wasteage constant, a high value indicates that a lot of intelligence is wasted between people. A low value indicates that communication of intelligence is efficient.

As for global maxima of the graph, a lower of value of k is preferable. Despite the maximum effective intelligence occuring at low values of N for high values of k, the maximal intelligence is significantly lower than that of low wasteage constants. For example, at k = 0.1, there is an effective intelligence of 3.68 for 10 people. At k = 0.2, the maximum value of I is 1.84. To bring to bear the maximum intelligence on one problem, the wasteage constant must be minimised.

But how? Better communication, better tools to store knowledge and better tools to retrieve knowledge. Increasing literacy and numeracy to communicate ideas more effectively and most of all, strong leadership.

Let us bring this full circle now and discuss dispersed versus integrated intelligence. Dispersed intelligence is incredibley efficient - it is, in fact, the most efficient. But it means that each intelligence is working on things separately and will yield no unified solutions. Combined, concentrated, intelligence will provide solutions but slowly if not properly managed. The secret, therefore, to achieve progress that is watertight and unified is to minimise wasteage via better communication. If we extrapolate this, for a company or business to function effectively, a strong layered heirachy must be used so that each unit of intelligence (modelled above as a person but can be extended to any knowledge-producing entity) is kept within reasonable limits.

This is nothing new. Communication, as many are told and are keen on telling, is the key to success. As for heirachies, Nature has already formed those for us. Feudalism, military structures and large corportations all worked and still work on a layered system.

sk8m8trix 16 years, 6 months ago

Juju is like a retarded wannabe version of Serprex. Serprex rocks.

Juju 16 years, 6 months ago

Wait… What?

frenchcon1 16 years, 6 months ago

Sk8 lolwut

s 16 years, 6 months ago

Yes, I'd have to agree with a large part of that (Though why one would bring calculus into the mix I'm unsure of, as am I of how you concluded that intropy remains constant in a set of people. Mind fleshing that out a little?). Large groups get little done, but that's mainly due to maintenance costs. (Rome, anyone?)

Since intelligence doesn't obey the first law, one must ask if concentrating intelligence can spawn intelligence. Research centers, Universities and technological cities like Silicon Valley are all places that imply that intelligence is created by concentrating intelligence

One place that intelligence breaks the second law is that when by using intelligence we do not degrade it, but enhance it. The main comparison is more that when intelligence is dispersed it becomes increasingly redundant

Much of this is most likely due to the process of intelligences teaching each other when in contact