The Family That Prays Together, Separates

Posted by Taizen Chisou on May 6, 2012, 11:55 a.m. 🔒

Attention Catholic mothers: please do not force your atheist 16-year-old son to put everything aside to watch a church programme that is in your native tongue that you didn't bother to teach him- it will be annoying to him on multiple levels. Do not slap, scratch, or repeatedly hit them in an attempt to force them to pay attention. It does not help your case, and it makes your beliefs look crazier in the end.

Attention atheist sons: Do not put up such a good argument as to back your religious mother into a corner, forcing her to call out your father. Make no attempts to explain to her that you cannot go to hell if you don't believe it exists, because her return argument is 100% guaranteed to be that you will go anyway.

Attention fathers of atheist sons who are arguing with their moms: If your stance on the matter is that religion is corrupt and faith is not, explaining why you don't go to church every Sunday, like your wife would like to have happen, find an easier way to break the news than "you're wrong; you can take him to church but you can't literally force him to believe in what you believe, that's his choice," and refrain from explaining exactly why religion is corrupt to the religious wife because you can hear the shattering in their voice when they are in denial about what you say. Especially do not raise your voice in the matter when Religious Wife decides that it's your fault that the child is "broken" because of your infrequent church attendance.

Comments

flashback 12 years, 7 months ago

"You can't rely on your personal experience, because my personal experience says something different."

Toast 12 years, 7 months ago

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"You can't rely on your personal experience, because my personal experience says something different."
Exactly. You can't rely on my personal experience either. Suddenly, the negotiation shudders to a halt. Which is why it's a bad argument. If you're relying on personal experience, don't bother arguing, because nobody wins.

flashback 12 years, 7 months ago

(I was more pointing out the silliness of saying "Your personal experience is wrong because my personal experience is different, and mine is correct because it's my personal experience.")

flashback 12 years, 7 months ago

…yes. I'm not saying that everyone's personal experience is inherently universally valid, I'm saying that stating "Your personal experience is wrong, because it's just personal experience" followed by "This is the absolute truth and my evidence is my personal experience" is ridiculous.

sirxemic 12 years, 7 months ago

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At first I wanted to post this as well, then I saw LAR Games' comment which I felt commenting on.

Toast 12 years, 7 months ago

It is a very effective trolling tool.

Guarantee I rage every time.

Moikle 12 years, 7 months ago

I am an agnostic who was originally brought up as a christian too. I didn't really have any "That's it, I am no longer part of this religion" moment, (although it never really seemed right when I did still follow it.) I just sort of slowly and gradually stopped believing as I learned to think for myself.

I have absolutely nothing against people who do follow a religion (despite how annoying "Smile, Jesus loves you" can be) in fact, I can see the benefits it can give people such as hope, and make them feel like someone is guiding them. However I can't stand people trying to convert others, especially when they bring threats like "you will go to hell" into it. Who are they to decide who that happens to?

I think that being agnostic should be a legal requirement for RE teachers, even in religious schools

flashback 12 years, 7 months ago

You think it is right to limit someone's freedom of religion due to the job they wish to take?

sirxemic 12 years, 7 months ago

I like how people call themselves agnostics because 'atheist' has such a negative undertone.

flashback 12 years, 7 months ago

Also they have different definitions.