The Family That Prays Together, Separates

Posted by Taizen Chisou on May 6, 2012, 11:55 a.m. 🔒

Attention Catholic mothers: please do not force your atheist 16-year-old son to put everything aside to watch a church programme that is in your native tongue that you didn't bother to teach him- it will be annoying to him on multiple levels. Do not slap, scratch, or repeatedly hit them in an attempt to force them to pay attention. It does not help your case, and it makes your beliefs look crazier in the end.

Attention atheist sons: Do not put up such a good argument as to back your religious mother into a corner, forcing her to call out your father. Make no attempts to explain to her that you cannot go to hell if you don't believe it exists, because her return argument is 100% guaranteed to be that you will go anyway.

Attention fathers of atheist sons who are arguing with their moms: If your stance on the matter is that religion is corrupt and faith is not, explaining why you don't go to church every Sunday, like your wife would like to have happen, find an easier way to break the news than "you're wrong; you can take him to church but you can't literally force him to believe in what you believe, that's his choice," and refrain from explaining exactly why religion is corrupt to the religious wife because you can hear the shattering in their voice when they are in denial about what you say. Especially do not raise your voice in the matter when Religious Wife decides that it's your fault that the child is "broken" because of your infrequent church attendance.

Comments

Toast 12 years, 7 months ago

My experience of religion stems from Northern Ireland. I do indeed think more harm than good comes from religion. I advise you to go out of your way to see how it separates people, how it tears families apart, how it causes war and hatred and discrimination where discrimination wouldn't otherwise exist.

Religious people have only one reason to be horrible and a thousand reasons to be nice.

Praying Mantis 12 years, 7 months ago

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I don't think I'll ever fully associate myself with the Christian religion, or any religion that demands participation in traditions, because in my opinion if I absolutely believed in the existence of God, religion would not be necessary to have a direct connection with God (and because I am a lazy bastard). But I do know that most of the time Christianity is not getting its credit where it's due.
I feel the same way.

I do not think it's reasonable to say that faith or a belief is harmful in itself; it is human nature and the institutionalisation that is so often incorporated with religion.

MMOnologueguy 12 years, 7 months ago

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Religion to me is just another form of philosophy. I mean, even atheists have to find a way to lay the foundation for their sense of morality and ethics, no?
Nope. NIHILISM, bitches. Not that religion is all bad (just most); it occasionally brings us a Cornel West or Tolstoy and pisses off imperialists with liberation theology.

LAR Games 12 years, 7 months ago

If there is a god or gods, he/she/shim must be a four or above dimensional being.

Rolf_Soldaat 12 years, 7 months ago

"But if you lack the tolerance and the respect for someone for their believes and you say you want their believe erradicated, how are you any different than other people who fail to respect other people and their believes?"

I have two problems with your supposed equality of being religious and being homosexual:

1: homosexuality is private, whereas religion affects the rest of the world.

2: being religious is a choice, being homosexual is not. I find disrespecting a person over a choice they made much more acceptable than disrespecting a person over what they were born with.

sirxemic 12 years, 7 months ago

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If there is a god or gods, he/she/shim must be a four or above dimensional being.
Actually this doesn't have to be the case. Even within the theoretical physics people are still discussing on how we should interpret dimensionality of the universe. My favorite theory is that this universe as we know it is 3D, and changes happen through 1D time. I never thought about gods in this equation, so let me think about it…

…nope, can't think of anything. At the very least, the 'dimensionality' or whatever to call it of the god would be beyond our abilities to understand, and the complexity of the god would make this universe look simple.

flashback 12 years, 7 months ago

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I advise you to go out of your way to see how it separates people, how it tears families apart, how it causes war and hatred and discrimination where discrimination wouldn't otherwise exist.
You advise him to go out of his way to skew his sample data in a particular direction?

This is like me saying "You should go out of your way to interview only people from Kansas that are mass murderers, to show that all people from Kansas are mass murderers, because I have met mass murderers from Kansas."

Toast 12 years, 7 months ago

A bad choice of rhetoric, perhaps. Let's not get confused with language and shit. I was simply trying to express why the argument of "personal experience" is a bad one, as my own personal experience disagrees with that of Cyrus.

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I wanted to ask what would lead him to believe that religions are fundamentally inclined to promote intolerance.
What religion promotes is more complicated than simply intolerance. Intolerance is simply one of many potential by-products. I'm not saying religion doesn't help some people, even most people, whatever the case may be. I'm just saying, overall, the world would be a far better place if the idea didn't exist at all.

flashback 12 years, 7 months ago

"I'm not saying this applies generally to the population, just that it applies generally to the population."

Toast 12 years, 7 months ago

But the bad outweighs the good. The good is part of the human condition, whereas the bad is completely irrational. I am confident that people are loving and kind regardless of whether or not they think God is telling them to be. I'm also confident that people don't blow themselves up unless God is telling them to.